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Old 08-18-2012, 02:33 PM   #21
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just to clarify, what I meant by OP was mainly the collection quests. the killing and boss quests actually become easier to complete, but the more you level, the collection quests get increasingly harder to fulfill and take more time to do so. if you make the mistake of leveling past the mob your supposed to collect drops from to the point they become greys, you can forget about it and completely hang that one up b/c it simply ain't gonna happen. you'll almost never get a drop of any kind off a grey mob. I understand now about choosing a non-leveling stat skill to hold off advancement and leveling, but not early on. everyone understands and agrees that a level 3 suited up with level 3 gear soloing level 3 bosses in the travelers way is not necessarily OP, but my point was, it is, or nearly is for the level 1 runt fox collection quests where you'll likely have to farm 20 or 30 runt foxes to get 10 drops you need for the collection quests even if you are level 1 and chances are you'll have to farm twice as many mobs as that b/c half aren't going to be the ones you need, but by this time you're two levels higher and the drops become even more scarce, and so far it's this way for every area hence my point about turning in both collection quests b/c when you get done with the lower level ones, then you have to do the higher level ones, which is just a repeat of the first exercise in futility since by now you've probably levelled at least once. like I said, in retrospect, I get the tricks how to handle this, but not as a new player. there was nothing anywhere indicating that I should switch my stat skills to class enhancement and go knock out the collection quests early while the drops were still on par with my level. the fact is, as gurni and others pointed out there is nothing particularly OP about a toon farming and grinding or even soloing mobs and areas ABOVE their level, but the fact still remains, that in almost every case from the abandoned docks to the ashen trail, I was well above the next area level by the time I completed the previous area's quests, which is exactly opposite of how it should be. I should enter every new area at least no more than the same level as the lowest level mob in that area, if not a level or so below. so far no one has even acknowledged this fact, let alone addressed it. the higher you are, the harder the collection quests become until they simply become impossible once they turn grey unless you are informed enough to know to stop leveling and get them done early enough that the drops are still viable enough for quest completion.
Your walls of text are overpowered without additional powerups from collection quests. Many sentences with comma and clause heavy writing style in one paragraph ftw!

Edit: Also, I didn't read much of this thread, but you'll soon find you have plenty of time in each zone as you lvl up for these collection quests. Good luck.

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Old 08-20-2012, 08:10 AM   #22
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Your walls of text are overpowered without additional powerups from collection quests. Many sentences with comma and clause heavy writing style in one paragraph ftw!

Edit: Also, I didn't read much of this thread, but you'll soon find you have plenty of time in each zone as you lvl up for these collection quests. Good luck.
ah, the good ol' tl;dr meme

yeah, 'cause thanks to twitter, we all know complex ideas and thoughts are best expressed and related when condensed and summarized to 140 characters or less, right?

besides, reading is hard and thinking is even harder, right? I just call it lazy, but whatever.

try reading Voltaire's entire 52 volume set. normally retails about $500 USD but I have it in electronic format if you'd like a copy. some minds couldn't hurt expanding. other minds are simply incapable. I hope you don't fall into the latter category since these are the same knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers that attempt to belittle and insult those of us who have taken the time and put forth the effort to educate ourselves and only respect equally inferior minds, instead preferring to butcher the language and speak in monosyllabic vernacular.

oh, and while we're at it, I also noticed that no one has yet to address any of the legitimate points I made.

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Old 08-20-2012, 08:34 AM   #23
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yeah, 'cause thanks to twitter, we all know complex ideas and thoughts are best expressed and related when condensed and summarized to 140 characters or less, right?
no, basically hes saying that if you're too dumb to make paragraphs, then what you have to say is probably unimportant anyway.
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Old 08-20-2012, 08:37 AM   #24
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no, basically hes saying that if you're too dumb to make paragraphs, then what you have to say is probably unimportant anyway.
you mean like the vast majority of my other posts? like the one above yours? like this one? well then, what a convenient dismissal. selective, but convenient.

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frankly, I was frustrated by repeated attempts to clarify the same points only to have it repeatedly distorted and subsequently dismissed.

should we go through the post history and see who else occassionally got on a rant that we can completely dismiss their POV?

*redit*

oh, and technically, my paragraph and sentence structure was mostly correct. for your general education and enlightenment ...

"re: How many sentences are there in a paragraph?"
"As many as it takes to fully explain the subject and purpose of the paragraph."

so before you call people "dumb" perhaps you should check your facts. otherwise, you might be the one who ends up looking "dumb". it was a single paragraph response, but here, just for you to aid in your limited thought processing ability...

"just to clarify, what I meant by OP was mainly the collection quests. the killing and boss quests actually become easier to complete, but the more you level, the collection quests get increasingly harder to fulfill and take more time to do so. if you make the mistake of leveling past the mob your supposed to collect drops from to the point they become greys, you can forget about it and completely hang that one up b/c it simply ain't gonna happen. you'll almost never get a drop of any kind off a grey mob. I understand now about choosing a non-leveling stat skill to hold off advancement and leveling, but not early on. everyone understands and agrees that a level 3 suited up with level 3 gear soloing level 3 bosses in the travelers way is not necessarily OP."

"my point was that it is (or nearly is) OP for the level 1 runt fox collection quests where you'll likely have to farm 20 or 30 runt foxes to get 10 drops you need for the collection quests (even if you are level 1), and chances are you'll have to farm twice as many mobs as that b/c half aren't going to be the ones you need. by this time you're two levels higher and the drops become even more scarce, and so far it's this way for every area. hence my point about turning in both collection quests b/c when you get done with the lower level ones. then you have to do the higher level ones, which is just a repeat of the first exercise in futility since by now you've probably levelled at least once. like I said, in retrospect, I get the tricks how to handle this, but not as a new player. there was nothing anywhere indicating that I should switch my stat skills to class enhancement and go knock out the collection quests early while the drops were still on par with my level."

"the fact is, as gurni and others pointed out, there is nothing particularly OP about a toon farming and grinding or even soloing mobs and areas ABOVE their level, but the fact still remains, that in almost every case from the abandoned docks to the ashen trail, I was well above the next area level by the time I completed the previous area's quests, which is exactly opposite of how it should be. I should enter every new area at least no more than the same level as the lowest level mob in that area, if not a level or so below. so far no one has even acknowledged this fact, let alone addressed it. the higher you are, the harder the collection quests become until they simply become impossible once they turn grey unless you are informed enough to know to stop leveling and get them done early enough that the drops are still viable enough for quest completion."

better? now, can we dispense with the lame excuses?
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you mean like the vast majority of my other posts? like the one above yours? like this one? well then, what a convenient dismissal. selective, but convenient.

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frankly, I was frustrated by repeated attempts to clarify the same points only to have it repeatedly distorted and subsequently dismissed.

should we go through the post history and see who else occassionally got on a rant that we can completely dismiss their POV?

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oh, and technically, my paragraph and sentence structure was mostly correct. for your general education and enlightenment ...

"re: How many sentences are there in a paragraph?"
"As many as it takes to fully explain the subject and purpose of the paragraph."

so before you call people "dumb" perhaps you should check your facts. otherwise, you might be the one who ends up looking "dumb". it was a single paragraph response, but here, just for you to aid in your limited thought processing ability...

"just to clarify, what I meant by OP was mainly the collection quests. the killing and boss quests actually become easier to complete, but the more you level, the collection quests get increasingly harder to fulfill and take more time to do so. if you make the mistake of leveling past the mob your supposed to collect drops from to the point they become greys, you can forget about it and completely hang that one up b/c it simply ain't gonna happen. you'll almost never get a drop of any kind off a grey mob. I understand now about choosing a non-leveling stat skill to hold off advancement and leveling, but not early on. everyone understands and agrees that a level 3 suited up with level 3 gear soloing level 3 bosses in the travelers way is not necessarily OP."

"my point was that it is (or nearly is) OP for the level 1 runt fox collection quests where you'll likely have to farm 20 or 30 runt foxes to get 10 drops you need for the collection quests (even if you are level 1), and chances are you'll have to farm twice as many mobs as that b/c half aren't going to be the ones you need. by this time you're two levels higher and the drops become even more scarce, and so far it's this way for every area. hence my point about turning in both collection quests b/c when you get done with the lower level ones. then you have to do the higher level ones, which is just a repeat of the first exercise in futility since by now you've probably levelled at least once. like I said, in retrospect, I get the tricks how to handle this, but not as a new player. there was nothing anywhere indicating that I should switch my stat skills to class enhancement and go knock out the collection quests early while the drops were still on par with my level."

"the fact is, as gurni and others pointed out, there is nothing particularly OP about a toon farming and grinding or even soloing mobs and areas ABOVE their level, but the fact still remains, that in almost every case from the abandoned docks to the ashen trail, I was well above the next area level by the time I completed the previous area's quests, which is exactly opposite of how it should be. I should enter every new area at least no more than the same level as the lowest level mob in that area, if not a level or so below. so far no one has even acknowledged this fact, let alone addressed it. the higher you are, the harder the collection quests become until they simply become impossible once they turn grey unless you are informed enough to know to stop leveling and get them done early enough that the drops are still viable enough for quest completion."

better? now, can we dispense with the lame excuses?
no, it's not better, because you're still an ill informed idiot.
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no, it's not better, because you're still an ill informed idiot.
I guess its just easier for some to regress to juvenile schoolyard insults and name calling than make a valid point. you have yet to make one.
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theres no point to be made, you're making complaints based on speculation, and its become only slightly amusing.
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theres no point to be made, you're making complaints based on speculation, and its become only slightly amusing.
there was nothing speculative at all about anything I posted. these were all case in point. would you care to address even one of them rather than trolling?
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all of it is speculation. you're like, what lvl 9? you've said repeatedly, you don't know most of the game mechanics. Yet you've zeroed in on collection quests to complain about. based on what, you're extensive knowledge on collection quests? I'm just gonna have to assume you don't know dick about them, just like every other part of this game.
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all of it is speculation. you're like, what lvl 9? you've said repeatedly, you don't know most of the game mechanics. Yet you've zeroed in on collection quests to complain about. based on what, you're extensive knowledge on collection quests? I'm just gonna have to assume you don't know dick about them, just like every other part of this game.
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it's based on the collection quests I've completed thus far, and so far they've all followed the exact same format and pattern. I have no reason to believe they suddenly change format mid stream, and have been given no reason to think otherwise. so do they? at some point do you suddenly get only one collection quest, or do you get them both at the same time, or are you suddenly allowed to complete both at the same time at some predetermined level? no? didn't think so. troll much?
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yes, collection quests do change format midstream. just not in any of the ways that you've listed.

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yes, collection quests do change format midstream. just not in any of the ways that you've listed.

GG at fail.
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then please, by all means, explain, and at what level? not that it helps at all with the issue at hand during early gameplay, which was the main subject of my original post, early gameplay, so technically, you're off topic.

sorry. for the twitter generation ...

off topic. talking about early gameplay.
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I was never on topic, because I'm not trying to be constructive. I would rather drown kittens than help anyone who bitches as much as you, with so little actual game experience.
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I was never on topic, because I'm not trying to be constructive. I would rather drown kittens than help anyone who bitches as much as you, with so little actual game experience.
translation: "yes, I'm a troll."
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Syn: "I do not enjoy playing this game and it sucks and Glitchless is a bad game designer and I hate using commas and punctuation and paragraphs."

Me: "Go play another game then."
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hrm, now where did I say any of that, exactly? please, be specific. quote me as a matter of fact.

I believe my original IDEA/SUGGESTION was to have the ability to complete both collection quests at the same time if you had the requested items in inventory, followed by several supporting reasons. what a crime. I think I hear the Nod police at my door. never seen such a bunch of trolls get so worked up over a simple suggestion.
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ah, the good ol' tl;dr meme

yeah, 'cause thanks to twitter, we all know complex ideas and thoughts are best expressed and related when condensed and summarized to 140 characters or less, right?

besides, reading is hard and thinking is even harder, right? I just call it lazy, but whatever.

try reading Voltaire's entire 52 volume set. normally retails about $500 USD but I have it in electronic format if you'd like a copy. some minds couldn't hurt expanding. other minds are simply incapable. I hope you don't fall into the latter category since these are the same knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers that attempt to belittle and insult those of us who have taken the time and put forth the effort to educate ourselves and only respect equally inferior minds, instead preferring to butcher the language and speak in monosyllabic vernacular.
haha, best smug post I've seen in a while. Consider the possibility that you're not the only one with an education and the style in your writing is lacking if the goal is effective communication.

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haha, best smug post I've seen in a while. Consider the possibility that you're not the only one with an education and the style in your writing is lacking if the goal is effective communication.

"Brevity is the soul of wit" - Shakespear - although he was born too early to learn from Voltaire
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1. depends on what you consider an "education"
2. the style of my writing reflects the venue
3. my only goal at this point is fending off a horde of trolls
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