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Old 09-15-2018, 02:25 AM   #1
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server 2 is basically dead. after arena end several toons have said they are going to quit the server. no one sells anything, hardly anyone talks. the community has been small from server start and has dwindled from then on. when the people who have said they are leaving do leave the number of logged toons will drop drastically. for a small server that will badly affect it.
At the start the server was at least active now theres few toons active there, common consensus is that the server was fun until lgs were bought on to it. ...so we have a suggestion.....
pay a set amount of tcs to move s2 toons to s1. after all even though those toons would be weak on s1 its better than starting from scratch.
this would solve all the issues with beasts, few arena matches and the horrible reputation that the server has.
if you dont want to merge the servers glitch give us a way to move our toons that we have paid and worked for to server 1
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Old 09-15-2018, 02:39 AM   #2
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Support. would hate to give up on the toons i build for so long, but the things grumbly is mentioning is making it less fun to play and i wouldnt mind getting my toons to s1 instead for the community. would be more fun to log and i will find more time to play my toons.
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Old 09-15-2018, 03:35 AM   #3
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support, to which I wonder:what are the reasons behind "servers will never merge", as just how many people in the past several months have been loving the single player based gameplay and how much were those same players investing into it?
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Old 09-15-2018, 04:54 AM   #4
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It doesn't matter, so much what the gameplay is like on s2 anymore. There is too much hatred. I could be over on s2 playing away and all of a sudden feel like I'm under attack from s1. Why would I want to keep playing, keep coming to just get finger-pointed and beat down. Being on s1, also, makes it even easier for people to spew negativity toward me regarding s2. Regardless of what is or isn't happening on s2; there is irreparable damage done in the community attitude. In feeling this hatred during gameplay on both servers, the entirety of the game has much less draw to get me to play.
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Old 09-15-2018, 08:10 AM   #5
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Anyone have an argument against this?
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Old 09-15-2018, 08:59 AM   #6
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Anyone have an argument against this?
Anyone have an argument against which part of which one of the previous posts? Sad truth is that S2 has been hated on from day 1. Everyone knows that. 99% of the times a person on S2 speaks in civil the general response is "ewwww s2". Most people on server have S1 toons and are pretty fed up with the dissing and the hating. "your server is so lame and so full of bad people" tend to wear people down as if it was their doing.

While me personally have no issue with anyone, yes there's a lot of selfishness and drama and dislike between people on S. That can be said about people on S1 too however due to larger number of people it's not as obvious.

A certain fee to be able to move toons from S2 to S1 would be nice, for the ones that believe they can't advance in any way on S2. The way i see toon transfer is 2 ways:
1 - you pay xx number of TCs or cash and instead of logging your toon on S2 you log it on S1, same player level, skills, gear and all that stuff. (like a name swap only it would be a server swap)
2 - you pay xx number of tcs or cash (less that for option 1) and your toon gets moved to S1 without anything except gold/tcs and account purchases (like a free reroll and you get boon for what ever total exp you've had) .

Server swap would work only from S2 towards S1 in order to prevent more "inconveniences" or it can work both ways but you can expect little to no movement except for arena winning purposes

Overall i do support the idea of paying something to move toons to S1 and my suggestions i believe are valid enough. I would like you to keep server 2 open if at all possible, because while most people tend to want community i actually prefer the S2 silence and lack of activity

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Old 09-15-2018, 04:08 PM   #7
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To put it in shortest possible way:

There is 2 options to deal with it:

1 Allow players to move to S1 (prefferably with fee so only valuable toons will move)

2 Make S2 much much different and more appealing - shaking things up drastically would work. However changes have to be big to the point you no longer can compare them. Its not about "buff S2!" - its about making it non comparable at all (remove SB , need to pilgrim etc. making it moded training ground to try things out faster before joining to S1 for real deal... I don't know .....)

initial 33% bonus helps get started but after reroll things are the same (they don't stack for kills , craft , pilgrim etc)

However those drastic changes is a shoot in the dark - could either be waste of developers time or open flood gates ....


It is actually more of a question for Glitchless team :

Will you allow massive changes on S2 ? Or let it die with same person killing beast every day (enough TC injection to S2 to prevent bliss due low population) and other few lone wolfs minding their own business ?
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Old 09-15-2018, 04:19 PM   #8
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only real issue i'd see with it is if they have some way to manipulate s2's cheaper market to bring stuff to s1. but that doesn't seem super likely as is... as safe bet maybe make it so you can only bring sb items and tcs cross server?
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Old 09-15-2018, 04:26 PM   #9
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only real issue i'd see with it is if they have some way to manipulate s2's cheaper market to bring stuff to s1. but that doesn't seem super likely as is... as safe bet maybe make it so you can only bring sb items and tcs cross server?
good point didnt think of tht but good suggestion.
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Old 09-15-2018, 04:29 PM   #10
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As long as it isn't exploitable, i don't see why not. More money for glitch, and more competition on S1. also would be nice to help the new players who see how dead S2 is, and join here since most of them do it anyways. S2 i think will still survive, but just be a place for the odd-nodders
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Old 09-15-2018, 06:13 PM   #11
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only real issue i'd see with it is if they have some way to manipulate s2's cheaper market to bring stuff to s1. but that doesn't seem super likely as is... as safe bet maybe make it so you can only bring sb items and tcs cross server?
As a way to deal with this, can also just SB everything on the char at the moment of transfer (can mats technically be sb? I don't even know) but if possible, this way people keep everything they have, but also doesn't have a chance of manipulating markets and whatnot.
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Old 09-15-2018, 07:49 PM   #12
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As a way to deal with this, can also just SB everything on the char at the moment of transfer (can mats technically be sb? I don't even know) but if possible, this way people keep everything they have, but also doesn't have a chance of manipulating markets and whatnot.
if mats are sb you'll definitely need a master of whatever you want to craft to use up mats... personally i'd sell all mats and buy as many tcs as I could for buff on s1.
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Old 09-15-2018, 08:41 PM   #13
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Only argument against this is that s2 got 33% exp for 5 years, but I still don't care. Rather just have 1 server.
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Old 09-15-2018, 10:02 PM   #14
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Wouldn't the server just be shut down? With so many toons flopping over, there would be even less left for any kind of structure. The angst of it all wouldn't go away either, so even if some wanted to stay or new ones joined it... it would be all the same hate and spew all over again. "come to s1, let us kill it faster!" "you're a botter and a beast cheater cause you're there" "you hoard and are self serving cause you're there" ... unless the server is rebirthed - which has been mentioned several times before - as totally new concept, it's likely not enough profit made to balance spending the resources.

Test server, pvp dedicated (no leveling a toon - just skill and gear factor), group required content, build specific activities...
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Old 09-15-2018, 10:11 PM   #15
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No support, anyone over 85 should not be able to merge over when they got to do a pilg that was easier then any of those who did a pilg on s1. Or revert them back to level 85
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Old 09-15-2018, 11:41 PM   #16
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1.the exp bonus is almost 3 years now (not 5)
2.pilgers don't get the bonus
3.how exactly would the market get inflated if there are no mats to begin with?except for tcs which I wouldn't mind if they were to become sb
4.while the fee is obvious (why would transfer be done for free?), only the strong players would do it and thus there would be even less, if any, people to help new players.because of that there would be de facto no new players for s2 from the moment of transfer and as such it would only be the matter of time when those few stop playing with s2 ending dead anyway
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Old 09-16-2018, 12:10 AM   #17
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I can see plenty of toons playing/staying on S2 just for the free Arena TCs to upgrade their toons, then moving them to S1, once they have all upgrades. (I've got a toon I'm doing this with)

I do play my S2 char once in a while rather than my other lvl 85 Alt on S1, when I feel up to it.

If a server merge happens, I'll have another lvl 85 alt, and I'll probably never play it, feed it, etc...

I guess if all the lvl 85 toons want to leave, and they've got full upgrades, and wanna let the low lvl toons without upgrades take all the free Arena TCs. Kudos to them! Free is Free
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Old 09-16-2018, 07:00 AM   #18
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First of all beast should be suspended on S2 as there is 1 person killing it . might as well give him 2 TCS every day (same thing)

Beast was designed to be an event where people compete for find/kill.

As of now its a hand out to only 1 person that hoards 60 free TCS from it every month.

Because noone is after beast there is ongoing exploit by getting bonus , farm for 45 min then go kill beast and farm for another 45 min (90 mins gold bonus for same person every day)

There is no secret we talk about Shaded and flock of toons he sit - there will be lots of people who will get furious if tons of easy gold/TCS obtained by abusing deserted S2 (exploiting beast) make its way to S1.


Same really goes for arena where creating toon get you TC for 25k.

While this season there was some competition i see next will be dead , therefore absolutely pointless....

While i still have assets on s2 thats greater in value than my S1's - there will be people that control others toons that left game such Lix etc and can bring billions in gear that was handed out to them .


TL;DR

Tranfer will make happy few players that in control of multiple toons (sitters) but pretty much destroy legit/new players

Big changes would revive server and give head start to those who already on it
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:32 AM   #19
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Geef huge changes!!!!
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:41 AM   #20
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I support and would like to transfer to server 1.

To stop people from exploiting from arena benefit etc, why not give them only as many upgrades/tcs as they have spent real life money on, aside from that there isn't much else people would have gained that server 1 people haven't already got access too.
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