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Old 03-14-2017, 11:19 AM   #1
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Now first let me explain how delay and haste work by copy pasting glitch since i cba to find original thread to quote.

Haste
The stacking is cumulative without any loss of effectiveness. It would best be described as multiplicative, and to find the factor by which you multiply you do this:
100 / (100 + Percent Bonus)
So a 100% haste bonus is 100 / (100+100) or a .5 multiplier of your original delay. You can repeat the process with all your haste bonuses on the resulting delay, order will not affect it.

Delay
It's the same formula as in the haste above, but you're subtracting.
100 / (100 - 50) is 2. ie a 50% penalty to speed means your attacks take twice as long.

Changing to Nibble's formula since it's straightforward and works out same way.

Stalker+aggression r6 pre fix.
50/(1+.12) = 44.64 delay.


Stalkers today with 2 koks+r5 pet haste+r6 agression
t1 koks for this one. 12% each
50/(1.12)/(1.12)/(1.12)/(1.2)/(0.6) = 49.42 delay.
t2 14%
50/(1.2)/(1.12)/(1.14)/(1.14)/(0.6) = 47.71 delay.
t3 16%
50/(1.2)/(1.12)/(1.16)/(1.16)/(0.6) = 46.07 delay.
t4 18%
50/(1.2)/(1.12)/(1.18)/(1.18)/(0.6) = 44.53 delay.
t5 20%
50/(1.2)/(1.12)/(1.2)/(1.2)/(0.6) = 43.05 delay.
t6 21%
50/(1.2)/(1.21)/(1.21)/(1.12)/(0.6) = 42.34 delay.
t7 22%
50/(1.2)/(1.22)/(1.22)/(1.12)/(0.6) = 41.65 delay.
t8 23%
50/(1.2)/(1.23)/(1.23)/(1.12)/(0.6) = 40.98 delay.

To figure out your damage difference is hard for the example but we'll go with t1 dragontamer sleeves and legs with demonskull breastplate; rank 5 rabid; capped skills; rank 6 pain rune; and ofc 2 helkoks. I'll leave out classes, you can add them to the formula yourself since it's pretty easy.

So we'll use t1 koks/stalker with 75 max damage. 75*(2*2*1.25*1.09*1.5*1.5*1.5*1.035*1.035*1.05*1.0 5*1.09*1.12*1.12) = 2228 max damage. (1776 without koks).

t1+t2 kok = 2267 so 39 increase.
t2 koks = 2308. so 41 increase.
t2+t3 = 2348. so another 40 increase.
t3+t3 = 2390. so 42 increase.
t5+5 = 2557. again staying ~40 increase per tier on koks.
t6+6 = 2600 since drops to 1% a tier. 21.5 a tier each.
To add classes say bm primary dark knight secondary or a fateseal arrow just take from the last number and *1.24 for bm. *1.04 for dk secondary. etc.

For arms/legs uptier they get .5 a tier.
t1s are 2228.
again just like koks it is fairly static. roughly 10 max damage a tier. they do 1/4th what kok does so it fits.

demonskull bp is ofc 20 damage a tier.

Now the one that does the most. pet uptier. t2 stalker (76) raises max damage by up to 2257 so 29. t3 stalker (78) raises it to 2317 so 60. This is technically the biggest boost you can get via uptiering with stalker. koks ~40. bp ~20. arms/legs ~10, but t2-t3 stalker gains 2 max damage so 60 boost. it goes back to 1 damage for t4. t5 unknown.


Perhaps no one will care about the math but it entertains me to learn how things work. So going through this just for myself to be more informed made the time commitment worth it. If I helped a few bms decide their uptiers, cool. If not oh well.

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Old 03-14-2017, 11:46 AM   #2
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100/174 = 0.5747*83.33 = 47.89 delay.
t7 22%
100/176 = 0.5681*83.33 = 47.34 delay.

Wow i got .55% better
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Old 03-14-2017, 12:15 PM   #3
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So Darklords your bonus changed from
well you use tommies so
55/(1.12)/(1.2)/(1.21)/(1.20)/(0.6) = 46.97 delay formerly.
55/1.12)/(1.2)/(1.22)/(1.20)/(0.6) = 46.59 delay currently.
0.38 delay difference. 0.05 second difference.

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Old 03-14-2017, 03:35 PM   #4
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Pretty sure the formula is wrong for this

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Old 03-14-2017, 03:58 PM   #5
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If you use the formula you need to include stalking to the formula, not to the dealy directly
going to use a t3 kok ( 16%)

100 / (100 +20 + 12 + 16 + 16 -40)

100 / 124= .806

50 * .806 = 40.3 delay
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Both ways and what I got ~ t4 koks:

50/[(1.2)(1.12)(1.18)(1.18)(0.6)] = 44.53028458 ~ Nibbles

[100/112]*[100/120]*[100/118]*[100/118]*[100/60] = 0.8906056917
50*0.8906... = 44.53028458 ~ Other way
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If you use the formula you need to include stalking to the formula, not to the dealy directly
going to use a t3 kok ( 16%)

100 / (100 +20 + 12 + 16 + 16 -40)

100 / 124= .806

50 * .806 = 40.3 delay
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Both ways and what I got ~ t4 koks:

50/[(1.2)(1.12)(1.18)(1.18)(0.6)] = 44.53028458 ~ Nibbles

[100/112]*[100/120]*[100/118]*[100/118]*[100/60] = 0.8906056917
50*0.8906... = 44.53028458 ~ Other way


Well. My math is wrong. Freaky's seems to be off. Nibbles may be wrong. Only Glitch knows for sure. Don't suppose you're gonna correct us Glitch? <_<



Edited haste to go by Nibbles formula that Brickk reconfirmed. So thanks for finding that Brickk.

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Also for anyone interested, as I know a lot of people believe otherwise:

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