Go Back   Nodiatis Forums > Nodiatis Forums > General Discussion > Player Guides and Help
Forgot?

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes

Unity hammer vs Fleshies
Old 06-01-2018, 11:41 AM   #1
Raidens
Boss Hunter
 
Raidens is offline
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 214
Default Unity hammer vs Fleshies

Does the unity hammer countering all HP regen to yourself counter Fleshies dps boost vs Regen % such as timmies 75% procs?

The proc it is quite oblique, Let's say I use the hammer with timmies, regen rune, euphoric, since it counters all of my hp regen, would that, in turn, make my actual hp regen % bonus 0? It should, since it says it stops it, and fleshies proc says they deal bonus damage verses regen capabilities since I in effect have none, will their bonus dps be stopped? I know their dps vs miti % will stay, but that is virtually nothing in comparison. If glitch or community could clarify this I would appreciate it.

Just curious, I will buy one if this is the case, but I'm not spending gold to test it to find out since if it doesn't it will be a waste on my end and virtually no one will buy it.
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-01-2018, 12:50 PM   #2
Glitchless
Administrator
 
Glitchless's Avatar
 
Glitchless is offline
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 8,198
Default

It doesn't work that way, but that would be a nice change. It will after today's server reload.
__________________
Computing the probability that at least one of the following events will occur:
P(a or b ... or z) = 1 - P(!a and !b ... and !z)
Probability
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-01-2018, 01:26 PM   #3
Raidens
Boss Hunter
 
Raidens is offline
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 214
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glitchless View Post
It doesn't work that way, but that would be a nice change. It will after today's server reload.
Thank you very much for changing this! Would this also mean FDA does the same thing too?
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-01-2018, 01:56 PM   #4
Glitchless
Administrator
 
Glitchless's Avatar
 
Glitchless is offline
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 8,198
Default

Yes
__________________
Computing the probability that at least one of the following events will occur:
P(a or b ... or z) = 1 - P(!a and !b ... and !z)
Probability
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-01-2018, 03:08 PM   #5
ShadeDaScout
Temporarily Suspended
 
ShadeDaScout is offline
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 520
Default

what about listless, how does it interact now with fleshies?
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-01-2018, 03:16 PM   #6
Glitchless
Administrator
 
Glitchless's Avatar
 
Glitchless is offline
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 8,198
Default

Listless reduces the regen so it reduces the fleshie bonus.

The way it worked before was based on one HP regen effect, the base one, now it works on the base one and the combat only one since they are the ones that truly matter during combat. Your actual reg stat doesn't matter for fleshie bonus.
__________________
Computing the probability that at least one of the following events will occur:
P(a or b ... or z) = 1 - P(!a and !b ... and !z)
Probability
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-01-2018, 05:04 PM   #7
ShadeDaScout
Temporarily Suspended
 
ShadeDaScout is offline
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 520
Default

thx!
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-03-2018, 08:08 AM   #8
ShadeDaScout
Temporarily Suspended
 
ShadeDaScout is offline
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 520
Default

I forgot to ask but:how does staff of shielding interact with targets that are under listless/have unity?
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-03-2018, 10:04 AM   #9
Glitchless
Administrator
 
Glitchless's Avatar
 
Glitchless is offline
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 8,198
Default

Staff of shielding is cure bonus, heal bonus, drainproof. Those are all completely separate from your HP regen.
__________________
Computing the probability that at least one of the following events will occur:
P(a or b ... or z) = 1 - P(!a and !b ... and !z)
Probability
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-03-2018, 10:15 AM   #10
ShadeDaScout
Temporarily Suspended
 
ShadeDaScout is offline
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 520
Default

Quote:
...and causes them to make low HP regen targets drainproof for 10 secs.
this is what I was referring to:would a target with timmies (and regen/euphoric runes) and unity get the drainproof aura, same for targets under listless.
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-03-2018, 09:35 PM   #11
Glitchless
Administrator
 
Glitchless's Avatar
 
Glitchless is offline
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 8,198
Default

Ah, yes, good call. The way it works should be unified with the way fleshies works. Clarification to how that works for both:

Things that Affect it:
Gravebound/Reaper auras (odd healing debuffs that also hit regen)
Listless type auras (those that directly target regen)
Focused Defense/Hammer of Unity type auras (these work the same as listless)
Sacri type gems (regen gems)
Regener class bonuses

Things that don't:
Reg stat
Common Regen skills


Making the change now. When under the effect of enough anti regen to put you to a normal person's regen levels, you'll start being a viable target again for the drainproof effect of Stave of Shielding which has the qualifier that you must not be high regen.
__________________
Computing the probability that at least one of the following events will occur:
P(a or b ... or z) = 1 - P(!a and !b ... and !z)
Probability
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-04-2018, 05:47 AM   #12
ShadeDaScout
Temporarily Suspended
 
ShadeDaScout is offline
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 520
Default

thx!
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-04-2018, 05:12 PM   #13
Darklords
Rare Collector
 
Darklords's Avatar
 
Darklords is offline
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: london england
Posts: 793
Default

so now fleshies have no effect vs fully regening toons and dont actually hit through the miti at all? so its basicly back to being broken...
__________________








Broke 4k pet crit :O Buff BM nao!
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-04-2018, 06:27 PM   #14
Glitchless
Administrator
 
Glitchless's Avatar
 
Glitchless is offline
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 8,198
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darklords View Post
so now fleshies have no effect vs fully regening toons and dont actually hit through the miti at all? so its basicly back to being broken...
No. What is making you say this?
__________________
Computing the probability that at least one of the following events will occur:
P(a or b ... or z) = 1 - P(!a and !b ... and !z)
Probability
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-04-2018, 06:29 PM   #15
Darklords
Rare Collector
 
Darklords's Avatar
 
Darklords is offline
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: london england
Posts: 793
Default

The fact i faced 2 regener's and my fleshies never broke a 1.5k hit
__________________








Broke 4k pet crit :O Buff BM nao!
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-04-2018, 06:44 PM   #16
Glitchless
Administrator
 
Glitchless's Avatar
 
Glitchless is offline
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 8,198
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darklords View Post
The fact i faced 2 regener's and my fleshies never broke a 1.5k hit
Details needed. If they're not actually regening significantly due to your affects that reduce regen, then you won't get significant bonus damage vs. them.
__________________
Computing the probability that at least one of the following events will occur:
P(a or b ... or z) = 1 - P(!a and !b ... and !z)
Probability
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-04-2018, 08:18 PM   #17
Darklords
Rare Collector
 
Darklords's Avatar
 
Darklords is offline
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: london england
Posts: 793
Default

well full ef suit, +sacrigenesis +500 regen, shield with 4k AC. timmy's

What else u need to know?

other was same miti gear, 300 regen, no sacri. not sure on pets
__________________








Broke 4k pet crit :O Buff BM nao!
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-04-2018, 08:52 PM   #18
Darklords
Rare Collector
 
Darklords's Avatar
 
Darklords is offline
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: london england
Posts: 793
Default

so degening a mob which has no regening capability's and using fleshies on it acutally decreases your dps regardless surely it should just remain at 2.5k max hits? with degen going no hit higher than 1.8k

How can it become a drain on ur dps?
__________________








Broke 4k pet crit :O Buff BM nao!
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-04-2018, 09:06 PM   #19
Glitchless
Administrator
 
Glitchless's Avatar
 
Glitchless is offline
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 8,198
Default

Fleshies never did magic to mitigation. You're not going to do max damage to someone who is mitigating.

Fleshies never would have done bonus damage to mobs and they don't now. Degening them has no effect on their bonus vs a target that you're not getting a bonus to start with.
__________________
Computing the probability that at least one of the following events will occur:
P(a or b ... or z) = 1 - P(!a and !b ... and !z)
Probability
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-04-2018, 09:10 PM   #20
Darklords
Rare Collector
 
Darklords's Avatar
 
Darklords is offline
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: london england
Posts: 793
Default

This pet attacks ignores mitigation and increase further when attacking those with regenerative qualities... (why state something which doesn't do anything)

Degening clearly does have an effect vs mobs. or its just bad range.
__________________








Broke 4k pet crit :O Buff BM nao!
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:48 AM
Boards live since 05-21-2008


vBulletin skin developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.