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Old 11-01-2010, 04:02 PM   #1
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As a caster I have a some concerns about gem shattering in arena that should be addressed in a serious nature. Casters are now being held out of combat for at least the first three rounds of combat exchanges. Upon entering arena, my flame call is immediately shattered removing any possibilty of doing my main damage. Then, if that were not enough, I then experience a 2nd and a 3rd gem shattering which means that I am paralyzed and only taking damage throughout the arena fight's opening rounds of exchanges. Bad choice of words as they are not exchanges because I am getting walloped. I cannot cast a single gem nor heal either. Ultimately in PvP, casters can no longer compete because their main form of attack damage has been removed for the beginning rounds of each match. Can I have an whip entanglement gem, a sword melt, an arrow redirect or muzzle for pets to even this up a bit? Or can gem shattering be limited to one of the three opponents so that the first 3 gems I try to put into play are not destroyed?
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Old 11-01-2010, 04:04 PM   #2
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flame call doesn't actually add that much damage.
get a tank to provoke and taunt
i've suggested a charm gem that causes pets to attack their owners... to no avail
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Old 11-01-2010, 04:26 PM   #3
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flipy, you've never tried making a caster from scratch. you skipped the phase where flame call is absolutely crucial for damage.

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Old 11-01-2010, 04:28 PM   #4
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flame call doesn't actually add that much damage.
get a tank to provoke and taunt
i've suggested a charm gem that causes pets to attack their owners... to no avail
but flamecall +starting DD+first draw does do damage plus provoke and taunts dont affect gem shattering iirc



ok seriously are the smileys different for everyone else they all weird looking to me now only the cool face looks the same....its really strange idk why they would change it
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Old 11-01-2010, 04:44 PM   #5
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yes the smilies changed.

also id say the people shattering your flame cell are mainly noobs.

i know myself, and alot of other capped toons that have a clue, shatter auras like thorn, reflection, and sloth.

as san said in a dif thread all it does is add more strategy into arena, and pvp in general.

with a caster the 1st gem i take out, is angellic. then if the others have no auras, ill keep it for a min to see if they draw 1, and then ill use it on a DD gem if nothing else is coming out.

i believe ive used it once to date on a DD gem and not an aura.
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Old 11-01-2010, 04:46 PM   #6
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Ok, I just checked, and you're level 50 atm. I'm currently level 55. Capped fights are a completely different story, so unless Flip and Smash have caster alts in that range, they don't know how much shatter can hurt. Now, I don't know who else is on your arena team, but from my standpoint, lvl 50-60 is when casters start to actually add some real DPS to your team, but melee is still slightly more DPS, and archery isn't far behind at that level. When you fight a team that is higher level, whether you get shattered or not...really doesn't matter, you're gonna lose. When you fight lower levels, whether or not you get shattered...really doesn't matter, you're gonna win. The only fights where it'd be a big deal are the ones where the levels are similar, that's when skills, gem draws, and shattering actually play a roll. The point of gem shatter is to increase strategy in arena, and well, sometimes it sucks, sometimes it doesn't. What to shatter and when can either hurt or help your team...if they shatter your flame and a DD, well, then you need another decent DPS char on your team if that kills you. Also maybe your team should think about what you're shattering...perhaps try different things that might re-balance it out.
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Old 11-01-2010, 04:47 PM   #7
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As a caster I have a some concerns about gem shattering in arena that should be addressed in a serious nature. Casters are now being held out of combat for at least the first three rounds of combat exchanges. Upon entering arena, my flame call is immediately shattered removing any possibilty of doing my main damage. Then, if that were not enough, I then experience a 2nd and a 3rd gem shattering which means that I am paralyzed and only taking damage throughout the arena fight's opening rounds of exchanges. Bad choice of words as they are not exchanges because I am getting walloped. I cannot cast a single gem nor heal either. Ultimately in PvP, casters can no longer compete because their main form of attack damage has been removed for the beginning rounds of each match. Can I have an whip entanglement gem, a sword melt, an arrow redirect or muzzle for pets to even this up a bit? Or can gem shattering be limited to one of the three opponents so that the first 3 gems I try to put into play are not destroyed?
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Gem shattering is actually a boon to casters in some ways.

You are not thinking of it correctly.

Look at the magic resistance auras.

There is a skill under life magic called repel.

The skill and the gems together add a significant deal to the resistance ability of a tanking opponent.

With gem shattering, the caster can actually remove these auras from play giving the caster a greater ability to hit the tank which can be pivotal in caster-tank battles.

Flare up does not add that much damage to begin with and it would not be my primary choice (if I was to shatter a gem). If your attack gems are removed from play, they will return fast; gem draws are pretty fast. Just beef up or find a decent tank to protect you in the mean time.

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All except this one. This one is dope.
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Old 11-01-2010, 04:48 PM   #8
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I for one would not waste a shatter on a flame call....

I prefer your anti auras... like Stoic and focus..... a mes or stunned opponent... can't even place a gem....

There's a tip for some.
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Old 11-01-2010, 05:01 PM   #9
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Yeah, what everyone is saying is correct. I even agree with conqueror but i wouldnt call it a buff for casters because there is a lof of factors to take in consideration, in 1vs1 it hurts more to casters i would say, in arena it benefits the casters (cause they are been taking care of, tanks).

So i called it more than anything a pretty decent patch since it opens a whole new lvl of strategic.

Please, take in consideration that you cant call them noobs if you dont know what their team is, for example... actually i dont want to give examples it is up to you how well you do , just try to study your oponents more.. and you will know what to shatter , sometimes shattering an angelic is not a smart thing to do, why? it is up to you to find/study and get ur strategy.
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Old 11-01-2010, 05:27 PM   #10
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OMG CASTER GOT NERFED HERE COMES THE WHINING! The skill is working fine. You need to find a way to adjust to it. You guys are the ONLY ones who can blast off 4000 bloody HP in a matter of 5 seconds. Get over it.
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Old 11-01-2010, 05:28 PM   #11
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OMG CASTER GOT NERFED HERE COMES THE WHINING! The skill is working fine. You need to find a way to adjust to it. You guys are the ONLY ones who can blast off 4000 bloody HP in a matter of 5 seconds. Get over it.
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Old 11-01-2010, 05:34 PM   #12
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Thank you all who have replied so far and those yet to respond. I really appreciate your honest feedback.
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Old 11-01-2010, 05:55 PM   #13
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OMG CASTER GOT NERFED HERE COMES THE WHINING! The skill is working fine. You need to find a way to adjust to it. You guys are the ONLY ones who can blast off 4000 bloody HP in a matter of 5 seconds. Get over it.
I know a melee who can do over 5k in 1 second without clicking and without the need of mana or energy! i just had to say that cause ur " You guys are the ONLY ones who blabla" shows how ignorant you are.
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I know a melee who can do over 5k in 1 second without clicking and without the need of mana or energy!
It was 4,600
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I know a melee who can do over 5k in 1 second without clicking and without the need of mana or energy! i just had to say that cause ur " You guys are the ONLY ones who blabla" shows how ignorant you are.
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Old 11-01-2010, 09:10 PM   #16
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In the arena melee fighters should not be targeting Flame Call or DD gems. The caster's critical gem is Aura of Stoic, and once that is shattered, the caster is helpless. Strong opponents with high Intimidate skills should be able to stun casters more or less continuously until they are killed. Been there, done that.

The caster's only recourse is to carry two or even three Aura of Stoic, which of course leaves less room for other gems and less chance to bring any other auras into play. In other words, it makes the arena more expensive and more aggravating. I don't do PvP any more, so play balance does not concern me, and the BMs should not consider this as "whining," just my opinion.
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Old 11-01-2010, 09:16 PM   #17
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i for one would not waste a shatter on a flame call....

I prefer your anti auras... Like stoic and focus..... A mes or stunned opponent... Can't even place a gem....

there's a tip for some.
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In the arena melee fighters should not be targeting Flame Call or DD gems. The caster's critical gem is Aura of Stoic, and once that is shattered, the caster is helpless. Strong opponents with high Intimidate skills should be able to stun casters more or less continuously until they are killed. Been there, done that.

The caster's only recourse is to carry two or even three Aura of Stoic, which of course leaves less room for other gems and less chance to bring any other auras into play. In other words, it makes the arena more expensive and more aggravating. I don't do PvP any more, so play balance does not concern me, and the BMs should not consider this as "whining," just my opinion.
It's funny you're assuming BMs are the best way to kill casters now *looks at the constant threads over the last 2 years about casters and BMs being the strongest classes* you know, i'm thinking you guys will just destroy each other now
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whipper with shield is the best way to beat a caster daer
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OMG CASTER GOT NERFED HERE COMES THE WHINING! The skill is working fine. You need to find a way to adjust to it. You guys are the ONLY ones who can blast off 4000 bloody HP in a matter of 5 seconds. Get over it.
in five seconds and two double attacks a capped warrior max ce/cs can potentially whack off 2700*4 10800 hp with a 42delay weapon it is slightly higher than that I lowered it for simplicity
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