Private Beast Change

[Bentro]

It is my belief that this change should be reversed. Essentially this means that you cannot summon a EHA/CC/DW and keep it around for a couple weeks until the next month to kill it on a plane where nobody walks.

If someone summons a beast, and they don't have the gear to go get it, then they probably wouldn't be too successful in killing it anyways. And if they don't have the gear, that would be motivation for them to buy it, making you more money.

You have to be able to walk on hell magma anyways to summon a beast, right?

Just a thought. Thanks!

[Diashan]

Yeah I'm a bit confused by this. You had to have full access (even if it's trial) and real templar to spawn... so the ONLY locs you couldnt get to was surface water pretty much. But hey, now I can exploit it to get free lungs on infinite sur chars and hold all of sur with little corruption so that's cool.

[Northern Silence]

and if this stays all you have to do is walk surface now to try to find someones privy....

[Metalg316]

its sur beast hunting time wooot

[the ogre]

yeah, if you can summon a beast then the only place you might not be able to go is sky shrine or the mines, right? Also, being able to summon a private beast has always been one of the reward of having access. I'm high and I haven't played in a while so I hope this makes sense.

[Diashan]

Also can we get these posted on the /ann still?

[Icankillmeph]

I want to know why this change was made, in the first place, because all this change does is allow surface noobs to steal your privy.

[Macca123]

I think someone spawned a beast and got teleported to 100,sur,100 instead of where the beast was, and couldn't find the privy. I'm assuming the message also gave the 100,sur,100 location, otherwise it wouldn't have been a problem. I'm curious as to why Jeff didn't just change it so the message didn't get based on where the person got teleported to, but where the beast was spawned, which was what originally happened with privates, until someone timed out on the spawning message and so lost the ash but didn't get the message telling them where the beast was.

[Diashan]

Sur noobs cant kill beasts. At most you have to actually kill them when you spawn now in case a noob finds it and tells someone

[Hopilus]

honestly, i think this update is not needed at all. the only private beast that was worth anything that could be spawned on surface before was the rogue. last i checked, for all of the rest, you needed to have full access to all the planes.
realistically, the update doesnt make much sense.
now, those that get 7.5k ash from acumen, or just plain ashing, are going to try and exploit it to get lungs on sur bound chars that didnt previously have them.

[Diashan]

that really only helps me and Sin. everyone else that has access to spawn doesn't really need a lungs only char. we can use them to fill up the plane. but say someone with a D*Dev suit finds a way to macro ash or some way to mass ash easily... they could kill privs with unlimited sur chars. but then again it'd be smarter just to make crystals. also there's the chance that the PB could spawn in water and you cant get to it.

[optimist]

I don't get it, why are you guys talking of exploiting to get free lungs, it doesn't make sense to me lol

[Diashan]

It's not an exploit, and what part doesn't make sense to you besides that?

[optimist]

Originally Posted by Diashan

It's not an exploit, and what part doesn't make sense to you besides that?

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Originally Posted by Diashan

But hey, now I can exploit it to get free lungs on infinite sur chars and hold all of sur with little corruption so that's cool.

Originally Posted by Hopilus

now, those that get 7.5k ash from acumen, or just plain ashing, are going to try and exploit it to get lungs on sur bound chars that didnt previously have them.

I'm just not understanding what's meant by this "exploiting". Could you explain, please?

[Diashan]

It's an exploit compared to the old way, but Glitchless obviously knows about it and hasn't changed it so it's not like we're abusing something in a way that isn't intended.
Spawn a PB, it goes to Sur, you kill it with a sur char and get free lungs. You used to not be able to do this but now we can.

[optimist]

Ohhh ok, that clears it up for me. Thanks, I just didn't understand.

[Rackos]

To address some issues:

Planes that people don't walk? Every plane is walked constantly.

Surface characters would still need their annuls or SoA to kill these privates. Surface characters aren't going to be anywhere near powerful enough to kill the ubers and it's unlikely that characters that aren't at least at surface cap could kill regs.

Ocean Bubble isn't a 100% drop from PB. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure it isn't even that common. On average, you would spend more ash summoning PBs until you get the drop than if you were to ash it in the first place. Even considering that it's easier to get ash on the access characters that summon them, it's still ash that would be better spent on other things.

[Rackos]

As for summoning beasts for the next month:

Why would you do something that dumb in the first place? You have the ash and you'll continue to have that ash next month. The only logical reason to summon it as opposed to waiting until the reset is if you plan on getting struck by lightning multiple times from that time to after inquest, in which case, why would Jeff allow you to exploit that?

[Macca123]

Well if you are trying to spawn EHA/CC/DW, then you could have only killed one and so try to spawn another one and get the one you've already killed, in which case you might want to save it for next month.

As for the comment on ashing lungs, the ash isn't on the characters that they want lungs on, so they can't just buy them.

For not being able to kill beasts on sur chars, you'd be surprised with 16 D*Devs does for a characters beast killing abilities.

[Rackos]

That's why you either buy your appro beasts pre-spawned or wait until the end of the month to summon them.