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Raidens 06-01-2018 11:41 AM

Unity hammer vs Fleshies
 
Does the unity hammer countering all HP regen to yourself counter Fleshies dps boost vs Regen % such as timmies 75% procs?

The proc it is quite oblique, Let's say I use the hammer with timmies, regen rune, euphoric, since it counters all of my hp regen, would that, in turn, make my actual hp regen % bonus 0? It should, since it says it stops it, and fleshies proc says they deal bonus damage verses regen capabilities since I in effect have none, will their bonus dps be stopped? I know their dps vs miti % will stay, but that is virtually nothing in comparison. If glitch or community could clarify this I would appreciate it.

Just curious, I will buy one if this is the case, but I'm not spending gold to test it to find out since if it doesn't it will be a waste on my end and virtually no one will buy it.

Glitchless 06-01-2018 12:50 PM

It doesn't work that way, but that would be a nice change. It will after today's server reload.

Raidens 06-01-2018 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glitchless (Post 198094)
It doesn't work that way, but that would be a nice change. It will after today's server reload.

Thank you very much for changing this! Would this also mean FDA does the same thing too?

Glitchless 06-01-2018 01:56 PM

Yes

ShadeDaScout 06-01-2018 03:08 PM

what about listless, how does it interact now with fleshies?

Glitchless 06-01-2018 03:16 PM

Listless reduces the regen so it reduces the fleshie bonus.

The way it worked before was based on one HP regen effect, the base one, now it works on the base one and the combat only one since they are the ones that truly matter during combat. Your actual reg stat doesn't matter for fleshie bonus.

ShadeDaScout 06-01-2018 05:04 PM

thx!

ShadeDaScout 06-03-2018 08:08 AM

I forgot to ask but:how does staff of shielding interact with targets that are under listless/have unity?

Glitchless 06-03-2018 10:04 AM

Staff of shielding is cure bonus, heal bonus, drainproof. Those are all completely separate from your HP regen.

ShadeDaScout 06-03-2018 10:15 AM

Quote:

...and causes them to make low HP regen targets drainproof for 10 secs.
this is what I was referring to:would a target with timmies (and regen/euphoric runes) and unity get the drainproof aura, same for targets under listless.

Glitchless 06-03-2018 09:35 PM

Ah, yes, good call. The way it works should be unified with the way fleshies works. Clarification to how that works for both:

Things that Affect it:
Gravebound/Reaper auras (odd healing debuffs that also hit regen)
Listless type auras (those that directly target regen)
Focused Defense/Hammer of Unity type auras (these work the same as listless)
Sacri type gems (regen gems)
Regener class bonuses

Things that don't:
Reg stat
Common Regen skills


Making the change now. When under the effect of enough anti regen to put you to a normal person's regen levels, you'll start being a viable target again for the drainproof effect of Stave of Shielding which has the qualifier that you must not be high regen.

ShadeDaScout 06-04-2018 05:47 AM

thx!

Darklords 06-04-2018 05:12 PM

so now fleshies have no effect vs fully regening toons and dont actually hit through the miti at all? so its basicly back to being broken...

Glitchless 06-04-2018 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darklords (Post 198195)
so now fleshies have no effect vs fully regening toons and dont actually hit through the miti at all? so its basicly back to being broken...

No. What is making you say this?

Darklords 06-04-2018 06:29 PM

The fact i faced 2 regener's and my fleshies never broke a 1.5k hit

Glitchless 06-04-2018 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darklords (Post 198197)
The fact i faced 2 regener's and my fleshies never broke a 1.5k hit

Details needed. If they're not actually regening significantly due to your affects that reduce regen, then you won't get significant bonus damage vs. them.

Darklords 06-04-2018 08:18 PM

well full ef suit, +sacrigenesis +500 regen, shield with 4k AC. timmy's

What else u need to know?

other was same miti gear, 300 regen, no sacri. not sure on pets

Darklords 06-04-2018 08:52 PM

so degening a mob which has no regening capability's and using fleshies on it acutally decreases your dps regardless surely it should just remain at 2.5k max hits? with degen going no hit higher than 1.8k

How can it become a drain on ur dps?

Glitchless 06-04-2018 09:06 PM

Fleshies never did magic to mitigation. You're not going to do max damage to someone who is mitigating.

Fleshies never would have done bonus damage to mobs and they don't now. Degening them has no effect on their bonus vs a target that you're not getting a bonus to start with.

Darklords 06-04-2018 09:10 PM

This pet attacks ignores mitigation and increase further when attacking those with regenerative qualities... (why state something which doesn't do anything)

Degening clearly does have an effect vs mobs. or its just bad range.

Glitchless 06-04-2018 09:35 PM

Sorry, been very focused on their regen bonus, I completely forgot they were unaffected by miti.

I'm checking the code now and I have to apologize. There definitely was a bug introduced with last nights patch. In an effort to unify and simplify the code with the Staff of Shielding effect, two functions were made. One returned the regen power multiplier, the other returned whether or not regen was considered above normal. The wrong one was used for the flesheater bonus. Patching now. 10 TCs given for your dogged effort in convincing me there was a problem. Sorry again.

Darklords 06-04-2018 09:39 PM

Thxs for the time. its hard to explain why and what if when u don't know what exactly people are running, eg runes and the such can only guess...

glad its resolved.

Pale 07-16-2018 07:33 AM

[QUOTE=Glitchless;198169]Ah, yes, good call. The way it works should be unified with the way fleshies works. Clarification to how that works for both:

Things that Affect it:
Gravebound/Reaper auras (odd healing debuffs that also hit regen)
Listless type auras (those that directly target regen)
Focused Defense/Hammer of Unity type auras (these work the same as listless)
Sacri type gems (regen gems)
Regener class bonuses

Things that don't:
Reg stat
Common Regen skills


In what category would armer like the earthfussion head piece that gives a 33% bonus to HP regen and the Timmys pets fall into ?

Glitchless 07-16-2018 06:43 PM

The regener class bonuses since they're both cumulative/stacking passive gains.

Pale 07-16-2018 07:40 PM

Thank you for answering so quickly. So then EF armer and Timmys both add to the fleshies dps bonus, is that correct?

Darklords 09-23-2018 02:57 PM

bump for nibbbles

Huggles 09-23-2018 02:57 PM

https://youtu.be/hCijAFDkCvk?t=15s

Glitchless 09-23-2018 03:12 PM

Need some commentary so I don't have to guess what is being shown.
You're demonstrating mitigation working against fleshies?
Is the target a regener or just a mitigator?

Glitchless 09-23-2018 03:22 PM

So the issue is as follows:
Fleshies should ignore mitigation regardless of whether their target is majorly regening, however, they currently are not.

I don't want to change anything until you confirm that fleshies actually do ignore mitigation on regener targets, though.

Huggles 09-23-2018 03:40 PM

Second video: https://youtu.be/HZllkKHN0wk

Appears miti is not being penetrated when regen bonus is not in effect. Working as it should vs high regen.

Angelic, 2x Armored Companions, Stone Potion, and Earthfusion legs vs No miti at all

Identical regen bonuses (euphoric, regen, sacri)

Damage was similar.

When one person had more miti and neither player had regen bonuses (miti hammer and especially FDA), there was no penetration of miti.

Glitchless 09-23-2018 03:41 PM

ty, fixing now.

NoRemorse 04-25-2019 03:10 PM

bump for Formidable


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