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flipynifty 01-10-2012 04:43 PM

CNC vs Resistance
 
There are resistance auras that are based upon CNT and %s... however CNC itself isnt really affected by skills, tunnel vision adds to it, however theres really no set %s or calculations of how effective it is.

When battling someone with, lets say, 700 cnc and you have 400cnt, r5 resist auras and shared bliss/repel levelled to 90 or so... the likely hood of actually getting nailed is still very high and i see little to no resists.

I realize that glitch wont give game calculations, but perhaps an explanation of how CNC works for casters (dot/dd) would be good.

Basically if resistance to magic is all skill based, and casting and connecting is CNC based (without any skills) how should one look at trying to defend against someone with a huge amount of CNC aside from levelling CNT to crazy proportions?

flipynifty 01-10-2012 04:45 PM

as well, does cnt itself do anything alone without skills?

concede 01-10-2012 04:58 PM

i am wondering the same...ive had cnt up to about 530 and seill saw very few resists and have the supporting skills leveled enough to think i would see some difference. I am considering pushing it past 600 to try it out once more but am really wondering if that will even make a difference.

I know a few casters are out of my league at this point...

hotshot64 01-10-2012 05:01 PM

It seems like cnc has much more of an effect than cnt until you max your skills. I've had players and mobs alike resist my dd's until I was out of resources, and I've fought players who couldn't resist worth a damn because their skills were crappy. I think your best bet is to max your resist skills before bothering with tons of cnt.

Nemesiss 01-10-2012 05:45 PM

before lg's i brought cnt to 600 with 93 imp/grim res. death resist up with bout same support skills and san could barely do anything to me, same every other caster i tried. but now with lg's i tried with even higher skill bout same cnt and get destroyed, but that was in arena but still vs san.

concede 01-10-2012 07:23 PM

daer...i dont need a best bet because i am already at that point. thanks for the pointless post

thanks for the response nem

hotshot64 01-10-2012 07:38 PM

And thank you for your insults when my response wasn't directed toward you at all.

concede 01-10-2012 07:57 PM

your response was to either myself or flip and flip has better resistance skills than myself hands down...regardless of who it was directed at, we would like to have someone respond with helpful advise rather than advise that has no bearing whatsoever in the matter.

max out your already maxed skills then raise cnt...ok, can do

hotshot64 01-10-2012 08:00 PM

Actually I explained how cnt works with skills, at what point it becomes useful, and answered Flipy's question about whether or not cnt is useful without high level skills. I apologize for not dumbing it down for you, who can't even understand the difference between "high level" and maxed skills, but that's why it was directed at Flipy and not you, whose post I didn't even bother reading.

concede 01-10-2012 08:26 PM

please explain how you answered the question on resistance in any sense. i see no numbers that would compare lvl 90+ resistance skills with auras and cnt @ 350 against a caster with fairly maxed skills and cnc at 500+?

you've answered absolutely nothing other than its best to wait till you have high skills before pushing cnt...

once again helpful advice..

hotshot64 01-10-2012 08:32 PM

It's excellent advice. It's an obvious (to me anyway, and perhaps fliffy) statement that until you have high level skills cnt is worthless against casters.

hotshot64 01-10-2012 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coccyx (Post 125332)
I do believe this reply:



was in reference to this question:



Now I understand bronies are something do be loathed and disgusted by, however his post was relevant and helpful.

Bronies for life!

concede 01-10-2012 09:28 PM

appreciate the clarification.

there was still lack of an answer if it has any impact w/o skills. only cnc had more of an effect than cnt until skills were maxed. so would this mean resistance is like parry? cnt itself has a base increase to resist and that base grows as you build skills?

still plenty of gaps as far as a direct answer. his paragraph reads minimum requirements to me where as recommended req. would give a more direct concept of how cnc overcomes cnt (skills) and versa vice

hotshot64 01-10-2012 09:37 PM

With no skills whatsoever, cnt has absolutely no effect. Much like you could have 5000 dex but you're not going to parry if you don't have levels in the parry skill. But as for a recommended amount of cnt, there really isn't one. It depends on who/what you're fighting, though I suppose if you have more cnt (and maxed resistance skills) than your opponent has cnc, that's probably going to work out for you. When it comes to resisting a lot anyway.

Darkdingus 01-10-2012 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotshot64 (Post 125343)
With no skills whatsoever, cnt has absolutely no effect. Much like you could have 5000 dex but you're not going to parry if you don't have levels in the parry skill. But as for a recommended amount of cnt, there really isn't one. It depends on who/what you're fighting, though I suppose if you have more cnt (and maxed resistance skills) than your opponent has cnc, that's probably going to work out for you. When it comes to resisting a lot anyway.

There's an in-game warning telling you if you have too little Cnt you'll take up to twice a spell's damage.

This is as far as cnt goes without skills.

concede 01-10-2012 10:12 PM

Ty Dark
and this warning comes at a relatively low lvl when few resistance skills are available to support that stat along with saying nothing that this skill is useless until you actually have points in...


pretty sure ive been able to parry w/o points in the skill also.

stats points aren't useless in any aspect. just like recovery. they are jank at first but if you put enough points into it eventually you see improvement. with skills that becomes more noticeable with less input.

hotshot64 01-10-2012 10:14 PM

Read the stat description and it very clearly states it does nothing without skills.

concede 01-10-2012 10:23 PM

yes, but it also has a chance to reduce spell damage. stat doesn't need skills to have a benefit.

every stat provides benefit regardless of skill. they may not have much of an impact due to this but they still provide something.

obviously this still remains to be a variable that is far from and reasonable answer. Ive had 100 cnt over a casters cnc and still got hit over half the casts w/o shield. supporting skills and auras there. pretty much the same outcome as nem seems to have had as of late.

hotshot64 01-10-2012 10:32 PM

You're talking about a nearly 50% resist rate against a staff wielding caster who was likely using assurance runes and epic sleeves? That's phenomenal.


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