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Lakki 04-03-2019 04:59 PM

Penalty for being AFK in Arena
 
There has been many of us who often lose matches because someone was AFK, or because they didn't have their priorities straight when it came to queuing up for Arena.

That being said, for the people who are AFK they should get no arena bonus, no tokens, and 3x more rating lost for being AFK. It's absolutely frustrating for people to hit the Queue button, and not take it serious. I understand stuff happens in life, if an emergency happens, they can deal with the occasional AFK penalty I think.

This would really make people think about " Is there anything I need to do before i hit the queue button?" Instead of wasting others time by queuing and giving free wins lol. I understand the randomness of this format, but there is no penalty for being AFK, and on top of that our report options are fairly minimal.

It seems pretty fair to me, what about you guys? you screw over 2 people, including yourself by not being present. you should lose 3x more rating, and your teammates should lose the normal amount that they would. ( Unless they were AFK too)...

So a simple way to code this would be, After the Defiance timer runs out, if you haven't moved your mouse, clicked a portrait, pressed a key, or anything. you are considered AFK, and if you die after this defiance timer runs out, you receive the penalty. That is 10 seconds a player has to at least press a key, move, or something. Obviously, if you're stun locked, you would have at least moved your mouse, or pressed a key. so that "i was stun locked the whole 10 seconds" wouldn't count towards you not trying to do an action.

What do you guys think?

P.S. not getting rating and tokens is not really a punishment a big enough punishment. kinda like having to sit after class for being late, it's not really a punishment that anyone would care about. The point of this should be to discourage AFK'ers. Being AFK is just an excuse to throw a match, and say you didn't actually throw it.

Raidens 04-03-2019 05:04 PM

Support. so many afk losses this season.

flipynifty 04-03-2019 05:10 PM

support

Glitchless 04-03-2019 06:40 PM

We'd have to be careful to only apply the extra rating loss to the fast/slow rating and not the individual rating, since we don't want to accidentally incentivize being AFK for people who want to purposefully lower their rating (which wouldn't be smart regardless, but that is not easy to demonstrate).

Rather than extra rating loss, a penalty that is more sure to sting an AFKer would be to reduce their arena bonus rather than increase it.

Kembo 04-03-2019 07:23 PM

id have to disagree on this1 i know alot of people hate it but not everuone can sit behind the pc and arena 10 hours 15 hours a day i work 14 hours a day and can mobile nod whil im their sometimes which causes me to afk arena sometimes but i struggle alot to get tokens i got to get them anyway i can even if it has to be afk arena ... because i really dont get to nod enuff to even get tokens while im at home i play maybe a hour a day actual farming if that so its good and bad the best way to solve this is pve tokens so i dont have to afk arena :D

Tsutsu 04-03-2019 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glitchless (Post 202049)
We'd have to be careful to only apply the extra rating loss to the fast/slow rating and not the individual rating, since we don't want to accidentally incentivize being AFK for people who want to purposefully lower their rating (which wouldn't be smart regardless, but that is not easy to demonstrate).

Rather than extra rating loss, a penalty that is more sure to sting an AFKer would be to reduce their arena bonus rather than increase it.

-1% arena bonus per afk sounds reasonable.

Claudia 04-04-2019 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ideaman (Post 202053)
-1% arena bonus per afk sounds reasonable.

Totally reasonable. However i disagree with when it should be considered as AFK. You are to be considered afk if by the end of the fight you've done nothing. Not if you havent done anything in the first 10 seconds. Although i havent been in queue except for 10 days this season on a squishy caster, i have had it happen to me that i hear gong but boss walks in on me and i can't do anything at all, but i get lucky and have a healer. THen im still alive in spite of my afk-ness but in 30 seconds boss goes away and i can pew pew :) it's not always the case but there are chances where gongs dont work in arena, or when people cant get into the arena tab/window to do anything in tnose 10 seconds. To be penalized for afk even if they come back to it after the 10 seconds pass it would be unfair.

-1% bonus is also a very good idea, i would also add to it -x tokens that you would gain from said fight if you'd win it.

Tsutsu 04-04-2019 02:08 AM

Can just use the same metrics that he has for the no token/rating gain.

Blaze 04-04-2019 04:48 AM

anyone who is afk in fights. prolly doesn't care about their rating much. either they're only going for tempers they're confident they'll easily achieve since rating is a joke these days. or they're just arenaing for bonus.

my suggestion follow's glitch's. win or lose the match an afk person loses x arena bonus and the same number of tokens as they would have won had they won the match. ie if you're at 1000 rating with full virtues. you'd get 10 tokens a win iirc? it's like 3 base +1 per 500? so - 10 tokens.

Brookeland 04-09-2019 07:46 AM

This unfortunately has always been the problem with this format, its been suggested before but an "accept" button on screen just before you get pulled in should solve that, if you press button and are afk that should result in a hard penalty.

But I do support that afk'ers should not be allowed in, although some may have legit excuse sometimes.

Enduir 04-09-2019 08:35 AM

I'm on board with losing rating for AFKing. Personally I would suggest that penalties get increasingly worse for serial AFKers to the point of being suspended from arena after X AFKs in a certain time period. Ideally this would also trigger an investigation of the toon activity and ownership by Glitch.

I appreciate that people are legit taken away from their computer occasionally. Happens to everyone. The odd AFK isn't the issue.

If you're AFK over and over again though, you're deliberately queuing knowing that you won't be there to fight. 1v1 AFK, you just lose, only hurting yourself. 3v3 anon AFK, you're not helping your team win, you're helping them lose.

As far as I'm concerned, if you're not doing everything you can to help your team win, you're throwing.

Huggles 04-09-2019 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enduir (Post 202119)
I'm on board with losing rating for AFKing. Personally I would suggest that penalties get increasingly worse for serial AFKers to the point of being suspended from arena after X AFKs in a certain time period. Ideally this would also trigger an investigation of the toon activity and ownership by Glitch.

I appreciate that people are legit taken away from their computer occasionally. Happens to everyone. The odd AFK isn't the issue.

If you're AFK over and over again though, you're deliberately queuing knowing that you won't be there to fight. 1v1 AFK, you just lose, only hurting yourself. 3v3 anon AFK, you're not helping your team win, you're helping them lose.

As far as I'm concerned, if you're not doing everything you can to help your team win, you're throwing.

Agree with all.

SiSiX 04-09-2019 12:17 PM

Support

Darklords 04-09-2019 01:35 PM

support

Wulfrym 04-09-2019 01:41 PM

not support like this.
support Brooks post

xzeroxzero 04-09-2019 02:20 PM

i personally would like a click to enter if you don't you get skipped because i can't use gong at work and the only way i am aloud to play at work i have talked it over with boss is to do what is necessary without a lot of lolly gaggin so there are times a customer walks in and before i can unqueue im in queue also if im on another page i can't hear gong so somtimes i come back late

just my info to why i may afk from time to time

Rip 04-09-2019 04:32 PM

Personally I just arena for gold bonus since I plan to reroll eventually. Every once in a while I forget about arena que and use the bathroom or get something to drink or eat. If I am at 14-15% bonus and lose 1% I'm gonna be pissed and might just quit arena all together. I'm sure a lot of others will feel the same way. So be careful what you wish for. If losing arena bonus makes people quit arena you might end up with 15-20 min wait times.

Tip 04-09-2019 06:04 PM

Long term effect of bonus and solo option for tokens..?
 
Support the increasing penalties.
Support the "are you there?" click before the match up process hits.
Support the loss of tokens as well as bonus and rating.
Great suggestions folks!



IN MY OPINION:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kembo (Post 202050)
id have to disagree on this1 i know alot of people hate it but not everuone can sit behind the pc and arena 10 hours 15 hours a day i work 14 hours a day and can mobile nod whil im their sometimes which causes me to afk arena sometimes but i struggle alot to get tokens i got to get them anyway i can even if it has to be afk arena ... because i really dont get to nod enuff to even get tokens while im at home i play maybe a hour a day actual farming if that so its good and bad the best way to solve this is pve tokens so i dont have to afk arena :D

Your struggle is your struggle. You don't have to get tokens to play - you need tokens at some point to keep improving, but it's not a requirement per se. It is your burden to gain them. In the same way that you don't have to afk arena - that is your choice to do and doing so directly screws others. Arena/pvp isn't meant to be afk'able like mob fights.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Rip (Post 202129)
Personally I just arena for gold bonus since I plan to reroll eventually. Every once in a while I forget about arena que and use the bathroom or get something to drink or eat. If I am at 14-15% bonus and lose 1% I'm gonna be pissed and might just quit arena all together. I'm sure a lot of others will feel the same way. So be careful what you wish for. If losing arena bonus makes people quit arena you might end up with 15-20 min wait times.

You aren't in arena for arena, so it might be a relief to several to see you go. I personally don't want arena participation any thinner, but what is arena without people who are there to pvp? Your defense is in the interest of your pocket/mats and not in defense of arena like is more the nature of this thread. If you aren't trying to support your team then you are screwing them. Maybe random teams should not get bonus at all... leave bonus for when others can only screw themselves and stay at the bottom of rating(can't get carried whether they want to be or not). I mean... if you're in arena for arena, for pvp, lack of bonus won't make you quit arena in and of itself.

Enduir 04-09-2019 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rip (Post 202129)
Personally I just arena for gold bonus since I plan to reroll eventually. Every once in a while I forget about arena que and use the bathroom or get something to drink or eat. If I am at 14-15% bonus and lose 1% I'm gonna be pissed and might just quit arena all together. I'm sure a lot of others will feel the same way. So be careful what you wish for. If losing arena bonus makes people quit arena you might end up with 15-20 min wait times.

Would be frustrating, wouldn't it? After all the time it took to build up that hard-earned bonus, losing it because you were AFK. Comparable to the frustration of losing a bunch of hard-earned rating because someone on your team was AFK, I'd wager.

Rip 04-09-2019 08:09 PM

Well I have 4k hp and usually get 1 shot right at the start anyway lol :D


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